Nate, Gene, and Logan meet a brand new correspondent on the show: Middle Aged Mutant Hindu Turtle. They answer a question from Jana B. (@janabezt) about Noah’s Ark and the Creation Museum. And they welcome Dr. Holly Ordway of Houston Baptist University on the show to discuss her work on “Imaginative Apologetics”.

For more information about Dr. Ordway, including her book Not God’s Type: An Atheist Academic Lays Down Her Arms, check out her website:

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Ep. 43: Imaginative Apologetics with Dr. Holly Ordway

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  1. Middle Aged Mutant Hindu Turtle…oh my I laughed out loud. I follow you guys on Facebook, but this was my first listen to the podcast. Loved it. Fantastic interview with Dr. Holly Ordway. I am working on a sermon for an apologetics focused series I am doing in our church: ‘The Gospel of John for Seekers, Skeptics and Saints.’ This talk was very helpful in some of the things I am working through. Thanks. I will tune in more for sure, and I will include your podcast in my sermon follow up resources for the congregation.

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